8/27/07 - 9/2/07 Like A Chicken With Its Legs Cut Off (270 minutes, 1 tempo run, 1 steady state)

Sunday, 9/2/07 (45 minutes)
I had a cramp so it's probably my period or something. Seriously I need to update this log more often and not run just 45 minutes like a little bitch.

Saturday, 9/1/07 (no run)
It was really hot, and the clicking in my knee was very disturbing. I think all the roads I've been doing are getting at it.

Friday, 8/31/07 (2 x 2 mile tempo, reps)
Used the new Asics DS Trainers for a tempo on the track. I missed team practice after being completely unable to face the prospect of getting myself up on 4 hours of sleep to run repeats on an asphalt hill. My legs simply wouldn't have accepted it. Turned out to be a good decision, since later that day I felt great.

2 x 3200m, 10:33, 10:27. 3 min lap jog in between. I felt controlled, and just focused on relaxation, trying to take as few splits as possible (just first lap, mile, and final time). The new shoes felt great, although my feet felt hot a couple of times. I did 4x200 untimed afterwards, just to get the feeling of cruising along.

That friendly old guy who comes to some of our meets was there, and told me that Matt and I were running too fast. Oh No!


Thursday, 8/30/07 (85 minutes, reps)
Full arroyo in the morning, went ahead by myself because I didn't feel like running Matt's pace. I felt like crap that morning. I haven't gotten the right sleeping schedule down, waking up on a few hours of sleep for practice, then inevitably sleeping during the day, so that again I can't fall asleep when I want to the next night, and the process repeats.

Afternoon I got new shoes and did a very short warm up, 4x200 in 34, 32, 32, 30, and cool down. The goal of the reps is to keep a tiny bit of stimulus there for the fast twitch fibers, so that when I need them to run serious intervals later, they'll be there.


Wednesday, 8/29/07 (45 minutes, strides)
Ran the traditional first-day Huntington with the team, about as easy as possible.

Matt's cousin, Don Kiesz

As you know, he's half-ass.


Tuesday, 8/28/07 (45 minute tempo)

5xarroyo tempo 8:55, 8:55, 8:59, 8:59, 9:00

Riding my bike up to the gym, I remembered that Kenenisa Bekele, the fastest distance runner ever, does not conform to the "skinny runner" stereotype. The reliability of internet data is questionable, and different sites list Bekele as anywhere between 160 and 174 cm. But the predominant stat is 160 cm, 54kg (5'3", 119 lbs for you idiot Americans). So Bekele's BMI (weight/height^2) is 21.1 (technically, kg/m^2, but by convention the units are suppressed).
I spent some time this afternoon avoiding studying by mining for more runners' stats. I didn't find a jackpot reserve of many elite runners with heights/weights all listed right there for me, but I found a few sources, especially the USATF athlete bios page. Here it is:






















































































































































































































































































































































































































































































athleteheight (cm)mass (kg)distanceBMI
alan culpepper185.459.04200017.2
yvonne murray170.250.3300017.4
greta waitz168.949.94200017.5
sebastian coe175.354.080017.6
sileshi sihine165.048.01000017.6
gebremariam178.056.01000017.7
dathan ritzenhein172.753.11000017.8
deena kastor162.647.21000017.9
sara slattery170.252.2500018.0
paula radcliffe173.054.04200018.0
abdi abdirahman180.359.01000018.1
hazel clark177.258.180018.5
wendy sly166.451.3300018.5
lauren fleshman172.755.3500018.6
jen rhines160.047.6500018.6
ryan hall177.859.02100018.7
hicham el guerrouj179.058.0150018.7
paul tergat182.062.04200018.7
anthony famiglietti175.357.6500018.8
kara goucher170.254.41000018.8
shalane flanagan165.151.3500018.8
matt tegenkamp185.465.8500019.1
tatyana kazankina161.349.9150019.2
galen rupp180.362.61000019.2
chris lukezic172.759.0150019.8
adam goucher177.862.6500019.8
treniere clement160.050.8150019.8
meb keflezighi170.257.64200019.9
steve cram186.769.4150019.9
dan lincoln190.572.6500020.0
sally gunnell167.656.240020.0
brian sell177.863.54200020.1
ingrid kristiansen168.958.14200020.4
bernard lagat172.760.8150020.4
haile gebrselassie164.055.01000020.4
craig mottram188.073.0500020.7
herb elliot179.166.7150020.8
khalid khannouchi165.156.74200020.8
leonel manzano165.156.7150020.8
steve slattery177.865.8500020.8
liu xiang188.074.010020.9
wilson wipketer172.062.080021.0
jeremy wariner182.970.340021.0
kenenisa bekele160.054.01000021.1
mbarak hussein172.763.54200021.3
alan webb175.365.8150021.4
dan brown175.365.84200021.4
linford christe189.277.110021.5
kip keino175.366.2150021.6
david krummenacker188.077.180021.8
sam burley175.368.080022.2
steve prefontaine175.368.9500022.4
jorge torres170.265.81000022.7
jonathan johnson175.370.380022.9
shawn crawford180.374.820023.0
emil zatopek174.069.91000023.1
andrew rock185.479.440023.1
lashawn merritt188.082.640023.4
kerron clement188.083.540023.6
nick symmonds177.874.880023.7
brian clay180.383.9025.8
breaux greer189.2104.3029.1
christian cantwell195.6136.1035.6
akebono203.2234.5056.8







Matt's and Katherine's recent posts about runners' weights had me thinking about the question of whether it makes sense to diet for cross country. My gut reaction was, "don't worry about your weight, put the scale away, eat healthily and it will take care of itself." In fact, looking at the list, Bekele, Prefontaine, Torres, and Webb are all accomplished cross country runners (to different degrees). Many of the mile/800 runners (Symmonds, Webb, Krummenacker) are on the heavier side of that list as well.

Basic conclusion: if your BMI is 22 or below, you don't necessarily have to lose weight to be a world-class performer. (Mine, at 181cm and 69 kg, is the same as Bekele's to within the margin of error of the measurement.) It's doubtful that losing weight would help Bekele, for example, because it is very likely that the best runner in the world is already running at near his optimum of just about everything. Running talent is, as Garrett pointed out, highly multifactorial and follows a bell curve. Barring super-mutant heroes, it's unlikely that anyone is far far more talented than the rest of the world, so even if you have the most talented guy out there training well but with a major error (for example, weighing too much), be probably won't be the fastest, because there are plenty of other guys nearly as talented right behind him, and someone else won't make that same error, and will therefor move up and beat him. So I conclude that Bekele is already running at very close to his optimal weight, or else he wouldn't be the world-beater he is. And so I conclude it's at least possible for your optimal weight to come at a BMI in the range of 21-22, or even 23.

For reference here are some heights/weights and BMI's, in the format of a chart I ripped off some random website or other:

Alternatively, use a calculator.

But I have a few more words about BMI. BMI is a dirty fucking lie. The objections to BMI are well-known and common. For example, by strict BMI computation, Bryan Clay and Roman Sebrle, arguably the two fittest human beings alive, are both "obese". The problem isn't that BMI is "bad", just that it's not good enough. It's a one-dimensional number trying to describe a human, which is inherently a multidimensional thing (in most cases, anyway). Other single-number measures of the human body, like body fat percent or hip-to-waist ratio, have their own problems. My main objection to BMI is that it doesn't scale correctly.

A priori, one would think that the BMI calculation should be weight/height^3, since humans are three-dimensional (different use of "dimension" than my previous one), and so make some 10% taller, you also make them 10% wider and 10% thicker.

Not true. If you look at a picture of a person standing alone against a featureless backdrop, you can still get an idea of how tall they are. Tall people just look tall and short people look short, even when you can't compare them to anything. That's evidence that people don't scale evenly in all dimensions. Make someone 10% taller, they get wider and thicker, but not by 10%. So the exponent of height in BMI should be less than 3. But why 2? In other words, why 2.00000000000000? Wouldn't 2.2 or 1.9 probably be closer to the truth?

In order to answer the question, you'd have to do quite a bit of statistics, in order to define what makes a statistic "good". You could, for example, let the exponent float, then optimize BMI's ability to predict certain weight-related medical problems as a function of the exponent. But this procedure, or any other like it, would have its own problems (tall people might have a propensity for diabetes regardless of body composition, for example). You could also try to find an exponent such that BMI and height have no correlation (currently short people have lower BMI's, meaning the exponent is too low.)

So let's say we do that, and find the exponent really ought to be 2.3, but was just made 2 for convenience (BMI is not accurate enough for more than one decimal place in the exponent to be meaningful). Does that make a difference? If I set it up so the exponent is 2.3 and a 170-cm person has the same BMI as the old system, the new BMI formula is BMI = weight/(1.1726*height^2.3). The new "2.3 power" BMI gives a 5% deviation from the old BMI at the heights of 200cm or 143 cm, which encompasses the vast majority of the human population. Final conclusion about BMI: the exponent of 2.000000, while wrong, isn't so bad as long as it's ballpark. However, BMI is still a poor measure of appropriate body composition for a runner, as it can vary widely even at the highest levels of competition, and most likely varies far more widely at lower levels of competition. If you want to race faster, don't force yourself to an unusually-low weight, just train to be faster. That doesn't mean carrying around giant bags of cellulose won't slow you down, but it does mean that Ethiopians aren't winning races just because their country has no food.

One more point - the fact that BMI correlates to height (and it shouldn't) led me to wonder about another catch-all physiological variable runners like to talk about - VO2 max. VO2 max is oxygen consumption/unit body mass. Supposedly, runners with the same VO2 max are equally physically fit, at least in the oxygen uptake system. But that may not be true. If tall runners or short runners are innately more efficient, as measured by speed at a set intake of oxygen per kilogram, then VO2 max really ought to be calibrated to height, which it isn't. Total body weight is another variable we should test in correlation with VO2 max. It total body weight is correlated with VO2 max, then really there ought to be an exponent other than 1 in the formula. There's no way I'm going to find the data easily for that one, though.

Monday, 8/27/07 (no run)

I decided to skip running and get some work done instead. I'm giving some consideration to running 4-5 days a week until I've got my academic situation taken care of. Also, I'll likely be tutoring from 4-6PM many days, so it's unsure how frequently I'll be able to train with the team.

13 comments:

kangway said...

You're right in that world class athletes can have higher BMI's. But it certainly does seem to me that the guys you are talking about are shorter. Maybe I'm just imagining it, but it doesn't seem like there are very many distance runners out there who are 6' with BMI's around 22/23, with the exception of Zatopek. Guys who do end up being more of 800 or below runners. Is it possible that you can in fact get away with a higher BMI if you're smaller?

I think an interesting question also arises in the form of overheating. I mean, if you're a bigger person with the same BMI as a smaller person, aren't you also going to have a harder time dissipating heat which means over longer distances you could perhaps have a chance to overheat. I mean, if you're even racing in warm conditions then ensuring good temperature for your muscles to work in is totally necessary.

I guess I don't know what to think about VO2Max. Maybe I just don't know about it. Wikipedia says it's a less biased measure to divide by (mass^(2/3)) instead. In either case isn't the mass just supposed to correspond to some measure of how much mass you are attempting to deliver oxygen to? Also doesn't the mass give some indication of how much work is trying to be done or needs to be done? I'm not sure, I'm just throwing all of these ideas out there.

kangway said...

The DS Trainers are excellent shoes.

A few questions:
I'm curious, why did you choose 4x200? Have the 6-8x120m strides been letting you down lately? Also, once you get to 30-34 second efforts, isn't there some sort of change in systems stress compared to shorter repeats?

Also, what's up with the knee clicking? Old Iliotibial band syndrome got you again?

Related to that, how much barefoot are you doing these days? It seems to me that since barefoot running forces shorter, nicer strides (and less of a smashing heel plant), the stress on each knee/it band is greatly lessened. I'm not sure this is actually any sort of therapeutic cure or anything, but it certainly makes running feel better.

If it's the IT Band that's bothering you, I would suggest these awesome exercises I learned in high school called eagles and scorpions. It's tricky to describe in words but here it is: To do an eagle, you lay on your back with your legs together and arms sticking straight out, then lift up one leg (knee straight) until it is perpendicular to the ground, at which point you lower it across your body towards your opposite side and your foot is beneath your hand. So for instance you would lift your left foot up until vertical, then lower it across your body (your hips will twist) until your foot barely brushes the ground. Then you lift it up back to vertical, and lower it back next to your other foot. As you lower it you should feel it stretch out your IT band or TFL or all of those other hip muscles.

This is, by the way, a really great hip and core exercise.

The scorpion is similar except you lie stomach down. This time you lift you leg upwards (your knee will be bent, and then again you bring it across your body.

If you need any clarification, like a ton of clarification, I'd be happy to oblige. It's definitely one of those exercises that makes my IT band feel a lot happier.

Markkimarkkonnen said...

I think it probably is IT band stuff. So far, it's just highly disconcerting, and not painful. I've been doing side-lying leg raises and foam roller as my main plan of attack. I also have an IT band stretch I normally do, but lately I've been negligent there.

I've heard of scorpions before - they're in the book "Core Performance" by Mark Verstegen. I never did them much because I didn't get what they were trying to do, but I'll give them a try. The "eagles" sound familiar. We did that sort of stretch for track two years ago, and called it "iron cross" (which I think is actually a gymnastics move when used in an athletic setting). Anyway, I'll try a couple of those, too.

Since I'm running with the team now, I don't have much opportunity for barefoot running. I think the roads are a significant contributing factor to IT band problems, too. Not too much to be done about it other than stretch, exercise, cold whirlpool, hope for the best.

The 200's were because I wanted something longer than the striders. Striders are good, too, but after you work up to speed you only get 50m or so before you bring it back down, and I wanted a good 20 seconds of fast running to have plenty of time to get feedback from my body on being smooth and controlled.

I think I've heard something about 300m being the longest feasible "strider" type workout, but basically, as long as you're monitoring the biofeedback you should be fine. I haven't felt any fatigue or tightness/burning near the end of the 200's, so I don't think they're activating the deeper reserves.

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